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	<description>The Downtown Lowdown on Indy&#039;s Historic Neighborhoods</description>
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		<title>Comment on Study: There’s buying power on Near Eastside; Only now, call it the ‘NearEast’ by Sandra Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Mesh brings new life to historic Mass Ave restaurant site by neighbor</title>
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		<dc:creator>neighbor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have been 3 times since opening and every dish has been great, and by far the best food on Mass. Prices very reasonable. It&#039;s nice to have an upscale establishment in the midst of continuous (albeit great) pubs and bar food. The patio is fantastic and the patrons are dressing to impress giving the place an almost &quot;swanky&quot; vibe which again is a much needed change in the neighborhood. Sunday brunch was amazing and plan on attending as often as possible. I hope they push the lounge atmosphere on the weekends, especially on the bar side, and add more to the growing flair of Mass ave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have been 3 times since opening and every dish has been great, and by far the best food on Mass. Prices very reasonable. It&#8217;s nice to have an upscale establishment in the midst of continuous (albeit great) pubs and bar food. The patio is fantastic and the patrons are dressing to impress giving the place an almost &#8220;swanky&#8221; vibe which again is a much needed change in the neighborhood. Sunday brunch was amazing and plan on attending as often as possible. I hope they push the lounge atmosphere on the weekends, especially on the bar side, and add more to the growing flair of Mass ave.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A history lesson inside one 19th century photo by Angi Parks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angi Parks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connie, this is fantastic!  I&#039;ll include it in the links I send out on Friday.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Appreciating the unappreciated: the City-County Building by Connie Zeigler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie Zeigler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, Thanks for your note. I agree with you about the courtyard. I&#039;d hate to see the classic 1960s barrel vaulted observatory changed or to see the building painted another color. It&#039;s an International Style building. Mies Van De Rohe would turn over in his grave it we painted it greenish-blue.  Gray it is and should be.  As for the windows, maybe it&#039;s ok if the glass needs to be switched out; not ok if the size of the openings has to be changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, Thanks for your note. I agree with you about the courtyard. I&#8217;d hate to see the classic 1960s barrel vaulted observatory changed or to see the building painted another color. It&#8217;s an International Style building. Mies Van De Rohe would turn over in his grave it we painted it greenish-blue.  Gray it is and should be.  As for the windows, maybe it&#8217;s ok if the glass needs to be switched out; not ok if the size of the openings has to be changed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A history lesson inside one 19th century photo by Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic well-written article.  Thank you, Connie!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Mesh brings new life to historic Mass Ave restaurant site by Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to checking it out!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Mesh brings new life to historic Mass Ave restaurant site by M1</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sorry to see Scholars leave.  They did everything they could to not be a part of the neighborhood, including hiring an artist from CA who had never even visited the city when he was in the middle of the Arts District!  Hopefully these new guys know what it means to be a part of a well established tight knit community, and I hope they do it while serving awesome food.</description>
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		<title>Comment on A better vantage point to appreciate historic buildings by Mark Templeton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Templeton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked as a high rise window cleaner in Indianapolis for several years from the early &#039;80s to the early 2000&#039;s, and being a lover of urban architecture, I can really appreciate this article. While I was there to work, while hanging in my seat board on almost every building in the Mile Square over the years, I couldn&#039;t resist swinging over to get a look at the stone details of many of our older downtown buildings. Besides all the classic &quot;egg and dart&quot; trim carvings that abound, it has to be the Test Building on the Circle that is home to downtown&#039;s most unique stone carvings. At about the third floor level on the Circle and Market St. sides are panels that include carvings of an early twentieth century automobile, an airship, the State Capitol and my favorite, a biplane. The first time I rappelled on the Test Building, I couldn&#039;t wait to make my way down to examine those carvings. Another often overlooked building with elaborate stone work on its exterior is the Old Trails Building on Washington St. across from the State Capitol (although I believe those features are cast terra cotta instead of carved).

Creeping middle age and &quot;economic pragmatism&quot; eventually forced me to move on from high rise window cleaning. However, as a lifelong lover of my hometown of Indianapolis and of early to mid-twentieth century architecture, despite the often grueling and dirty nature of the work, being able to take in the city from so many vantage points over the years was a fringe benefit that kept me &quot;hanging around&quot; that line of work through much of my younger years. I took quite a few photos at least, and was featured in two separate local TV interviews (WRTV and WXIN) and had my picture in the Star and News several times. 

Regarding the &quot;When&quot; building, I believe it was as late as the late &#039;90s when it was finally demolished. At the time, it was said to have been the oldest surviving building in the Mile Square, other than Christ Church on the Circle (1870). Built in 1874, when I was last in the &quot;Ober Building&quot; as it was known since the &#039;40s (which is when it was &quot;modernized&quot; aka: ruined), it was in deplorable shape. The floors creaked and slanted, doors stuck and a musty odor was everywhere. Regardless, had it not been so badly altered in the &#039;40s, it would have been worth saving. As it stood in the &#039;90s, regardless its historical significance, razing it unfortunately was the best option really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked as a high rise window cleaner in Indianapolis for several years from the early &#8217;80s to the early 2000&#8242;s, and being a lover of urban architecture, I can really appreciate this article. While I was there to work, while hanging in my seat board on almost every building in the Mile Square over the years, I couldn&#8217;t resist swinging over to get a look at the stone details of many of our older downtown buildings. Besides all the classic &#8220;egg and dart&#8221; trim carvings that abound, it has to be the Test Building on the Circle that is home to downtown&#8217;s most unique stone carvings. At about the third floor level on the Circle and Market St. sides are panels that include carvings of an early twentieth century automobile, an airship, the State Capitol and my favorite, a biplane. The first time I rappelled on the Test Building, I couldn&#8217;t wait to make my way down to examine those carvings. Another often overlooked building with elaborate stone work on its exterior is the Old Trails Building on Washington St. across from the State Capitol (although I believe those features are cast terra cotta instead of carved).</p>
<p>Creeping middle age and &#8220;economic pragmatism&#8221; eventually forced me to move on from high rise window cleaning. However, as a lifelong lover of my hometown of Indianapolis and of early to mid-twentieth century architecture, despite the often grueling and dirty nature of the work, being able to take in the city from so many vantage points over the years was a fringe benefit that kept me &#8220;hanging around&#8221; that line of work through much of my younger years. I took quite a few photos at least, and was featured in two separate local TV interviews (WRTV and WXIN) and had my picture in the Star and News several times. </p>
<p>Regarding the &#8220;When&#8221; building, I believe it was as late as the late &#8217;90s when it was finally demolished. At the time, it was said to have been the oldest surviving building in the Mile Square, other than Christ Church on the Circle (1870). Built in 1874, when I was last in the &#8220;Ober Building&#8221; as it was known since the &#8217;40s (which is when it was &#8220;modernized&#8221; aka: ruined), it was in deplorable shape. The floors creaked and slanted, doors stuck and a musty odor was everywhere. Regardless, had it not been so badly altered in the &#8217;40s, it would have been worth saving. As it stood in the &#8217;90s, regardless its historical significance, razing it unfortunately was the best option really.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Appreciating the unappreciated: the City-County Building by Mark Templeton</title>
		<link>http://www.urbantimesonline.com/2009/07/appreciating-the-unappreciated-the-city-county-building/comment-page-1/#comment-9266</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Templeton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Connie. Thanks so much for this site. I&#039;m a person quite obsessed with the history of this city, and was for a while one of the window cleaners on the City-County Building. WXIN Fox 59 did a piece about &quot;Indy&#039;s Most Dangerous Jobs&quot; in the mid-&#039;90s and I took their photographer &quot;over the side&quot; in the 1960 (although the building opened in &#039;62, that&#039;s what it says) &quot;Wall Glider&quot; hanging scaffold, or &quot;stage&quot; as they&#039;re known to facade workers. A thing both peculiar to this building and odious as well, are the &quot;sun screens&quot; that are in place over nearly every exterior window on the building (the Mayor&#039;s office on the 26th floor being the only exception to the north facade, on which the screens weren&#039;t installed). The windows on the building are all original, clear tempered glass and instead of tinting or replacing them, at some point, the screens were installed. The screens are actually louvers, only the individual slats are very small and close together. As the louvers are angled downward, the effect is to not allow those inside to see much of the sky above the horizon. What&#039;s worse, especially from a maintenance standpoint, is that these screens also keep rain from being able to reach the window glass. Instead, the rain pelts the always sooty screens, splattering the window glass and keeping them terminally dirty other than for a short time after they&#039;re cleaned. It was common for the tenants to make impromptu signs saying, &quot;Leave the screens up,&quot; when we would lift them for cleaning. However, we of course could not, since the screens are meant to conserve energy in lieu of energy efficient glass (and because it would affect the symmetry of the facade). 

I, like you, appreciate the somewhat austere (taken as a whole) exterior look of the building, and like how you describe its lobby features. Along with ample use of white marble, the heavy use of contemporary dark wood panels and stainless steel trim impart a sense of order and stability sought after in public buildings. A noteworthy design feature are the stainless spandrel pieces that wrap the limestone clad auditorium (City-County Council chambers) exterior, and then continue uninterrupted &quot;though&quot; the lobby glass and across the ceiling of the Market St. lobby. Having worked on the building many times and also often having considered its assets and liabilities, I believe replacing all the exterior glass on the tower (which would include scrapping those tons of aluminum screens and their tracks, which might help defray remodeling costs), including the spandrel or &quot;blind glass,&quot; with modern energy efficient windows would greatly improve the look of the building. Although I can relate to the intent, especially in light of the time in which is was built, the dark gray &quot;color&quot; scheme is maybe the building&#039;s worst feature now. Taking into account its high rise neighbors, I believe a greenish-blue hue would best compliment the building while keeping its design unaltered. Or perhaps to play off the nearby First Indiana Tower (now M&amp;I Bank), a dark copper hue. However, two things I&#039;d be for changing more radically would be to remodel the observatory roof, with its series of arches that edge close to &#039;60s &quot;Googie&quot; style commercial architecture, by merely cladding over that on all four sides with metal panels in some configuration. The other thing that I wouldn&#039;t mind seeing given the heave-ho is the crumbling and underutilized courtyard that sets atop the underground parking garage facing Washington St. 

One last thing. In hindsight, after seeing photos of the last days of the old Marion County Courthouse, where it still stood with the nearly completed C.C. Bldg. looming over it, how cool would it be if they would have left the courthouse there and refurbished it? A stark contrast to be sure, but while there was no reason to do so, it certainly would seem the C.C. Bldg. pays homage to the old courthouse in its design. Like the courthouse, it has a main tower flanked by two lower wings. Even the roof of the C.C. Bldg. observatory seems to evoke (however abstractly) the French Mansard roof of the courthouse. As such, the two would have complimented one another to a degree. That also would have helped to accentuate the fact that it&#039;s the C.C. Bldg&#039;s Market St. Entrance that was always meant to be the main entrance, not the south lobby doors. Thanks again for the site and this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Connie. Thanks so much for this site. I&#8217;m a person quite obsessed with the history of this city, and was for a while one of the window cleaners on the City-County Building. WXIN Fox 59 did a piece about &#8220;Indy&#8217;s Most Dangerous Jobs&#8221; in the mid-&#8217;90s and I took their photographer &#8220;over the side&#8221; in the 1960 (although the building opened in &#8217;62, that&#8217;s what it says) &#8220;Wall Glider&#8221; hanging scaffold, or &#8220;stage&#8221; as they&#8217;re known to facade workers. A thing both peculiar to this building and odious as well, are the &#8220;sun screens&#8221; that are in place over nearly every exterior window on the building (the Mayor&#8217;s office on the 26th floor being the only exception to the north facade, on which the screens weren&#8217;t installed). The windows on the building are all original, clear tempered glass and instead of tinting or replacing them, at some point, the screens were installed. The screens are actually louvers, only the individual slats are very small and close together. As the louvers are angled downward, the effect is to not allow those inside to see much of the sky above the horizon. What&#8217;s worse, especially from a maintenance standpoint, is that these screens also keep rain from being able to reach the window glass. Instead, the rain pelts the always sooty screens, splattering the window glass and keeping them terminally dirty other than for a short time after they&#8217;re cleaned. It was common for the tenants to make impromptu signs saying, &#8220;Leave the screens up,&#8221; when we would lift them for cleaning. However, we of course could not, since the screens are meant to conserve energy in lieu of energy efficient glass (and because it would affect the symmetry of the facade). </p>
<p>I, like you, appreciate the somewhat austere (taken as a whole) exterior look of the building, and like how you describe its lobby features. Along with ample use of white marble, the heavy use of contemporary dark wood panels and stainless steel trim impart a sense of order and stability sought after in public buildings. A noteworthy design feature are the stainless spandrel pieces that wrap the limestone clad auditorium (City-County Council chambers) exterior, and then continue uninterrupted &#8220;though&#8221; the lobby glass and across the ceiling of the Market St. lobby. Having worked on the building many times and also often having considered its assets and liabilities, I believe replacing all the exterior glass on the tower (which would include scrapping those tons of aluminum screens and their tracks, which might help defray remodeling costs), including the spandrel or &#8220;blind glass,&#8221; with modern energy efficient windows would greatly improve the look of the building. Although I can relate to the intent, especially in light of the time in which is was built, the dark gray &#8220;color&#8221; scheme is maybe the building&#8217;s worst feature now. Taking into account its high rise neighbors, I believe a greenish-blue hue would best compliment the building while keeping its design unaltered. Or perhaps to play off the nearby First Indiana Tower (now M&amp;I Bank), a dark copper hue. However, two things I&#8217;d be for changing more radically would be to remodel the observatory roof, with its series of arches that edge close to &#8217;60s &#8220;Googie&#8221; style commercial architecture, by merely cladding over that on all four sides with metal panels in some configuration. The other thing that I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing given the heave-ho is the crumbling and underutilized courtyard that sets atop the underground parking garage facing Washington St. </p>
<p>One last thing. In hindsight, after seeing photos of the last days of the old Marion County Courthouse, where it still stood with the nearly completed C.C. Bldg. looming over it, how cool would it be if they would have left the courthouse there and refurbished it? A stark contrast to be sure, but while there was no reason to do so, it certainly would seem the C.C. Bldg. pays homage to the old courthouse in its design. Like the courthouse, it has a main tower flanked by two lower wings. Even the roof of the C.C. Bldg. observatory seems to evoke (however abstractly) the French Mansard roof of the courthouse. As such, the two would have complimented one another to a degree. That also would have helped to accentuate the fact that it&#8217;s the C.C. Bldg&#8217;s Market St. Entrance that was always meant to be the main entrance, not the south lobby doors. Thanks again for the site and this article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Square Rootz Deli open in Fountain Square by where to find them &#171; Refugee Bags</title>
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		<dc:creator>where to find them &#171; Refugee Bags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the newest retail location where bags can be purchased is the newly opened Square Rootz Deli in the heart of Fountain Square in [...]</description>
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